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Post by kob » Thu Sep 21, 2017 17:22

i looked through Lynch's filmography and i've actually never seen any of his work somehow. i checked out the pilot last night so that was my first experience with his stuff. i enjoyed it. i'm guessing i'm only scratching the surface of how weird this show is gonna get. i was also surprised at how funny it is. some of those scenes were cracking me up. i'll definitely keep watching.

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Post by Saladin » Thu Sep 21, 2017 17:24

Twin Peaks is pretty funny too. It's not dark and weird the whole time.
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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Fri Sep 22, 2017 04:58

kob wrote:
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i looked through Lynch's filmography and i've actually never seen any of his work somehow.
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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Sat Sep 23, 2017 07:05

I'm looking forward to 'The Disaster Artist' after seeing the official trailer, holy shit James Franco nails the role perfectly, I'm actually impressed since I was very skeptical about the idea when I first heard about it. Looks like a hilarious dramedy behind 'The Room'. If you haven't heard of it, just look it up on YouTube or something, 'The Room' is arguably one of the worst films ever made but is hilarious to watch because of the fact. There is a huge cult following behind it much like 'Rocky Horror Picture Show', where the crowd gets super involved, like the audience tossing a football around or throwing plastic spoons at the screen as examples. idk, just caught me off guard and should be a good watch later this year.

Otherwise, I tried to watch 'Baywatch' and made it 20 minutes in before I gave up. Who the fuck thought that was going to work exactly? It wasn't even a good one to drink and make fun of bad, yikes.

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Just watched a Netflix gem called 'Heaven Knows What', fuck me that was good but tough to watch. The main lead is a former heroin addict that lived on the streets of NYC most of her teen life and the story is based off of her personal experiences of being a homeless heroin addict. Fucking brutally raw but also quite emotionally charged as well.

Also saw 'A Ghost Story', one of the better 2017 releases so far. Thought provoking but depressing as shit story about observing life after we die.

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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Sat Sep 30, 2017 07:03

recent screenings:

'The Bad Batch' sucked, I like the ambition behind the director and her decisions but this one didn't work for me. Watch 'A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night' instead. It's a Western/horror done pretty well and her debut film.

'Carol' was fucking brilliant, I gave it a pass during the 2015 Oscar season but nah, it's legit. Not Oscar bait which I thought it was going to be. You can watch it on Netflix now. Just wanted to share.

Otherwise, already got my ticket for 'Blade Runner: 2049' for next Friday. Super stoked and anxious about it, but best believe I'm goin' in on that review whether it be good or bad, I'll let y'all know. I really want to see 'The Florida Project' but my local theater isn't screening it, so fucking pissed about that one. It's a really limited release (supposed to come out on Oct. 5th) so wtf. It got HUGE acclaim during the festival circuit so I'm excited to check it out. The trailer was pure kino.

That's all I got for this week. Just watched 'Spring Breakers' again for like the 40th time, holy fuck I love that film so much. I wish I could invent a drug to distribute to the world of how I feel when I watch it. TOTAL BODY AND MIND EUPHORIA!

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Post by Saladin » Wed Oct 04, 2017 20:50

Just saw that Netflix movie, Gerald's Game. It was a little campy and melodramatic, but it's pretty creepy and disturbing. Not a bad start to Halloween month. Looking to binge lots of horror games and movies this month.
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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Sun Oct 08, 2017 07:27

I kinda want to check that out, heard some mixed feelings on it but that always makes me more intrigued these days.

'Blade Runner 2049' was pretty good actually, I didn't "love" it but it definitely was a worthy sequel. Visually breathtaking but the story lacked a lot of clarity towards the end which is what keeps it from being great IMO. As a cyberpunk film though, it's fucking awesome in that regard as far as atmosphere.

Rewatched 'The Silence of the Lambs' this evening, damn, I forgot how amazing that film was. Not really a "horror" film per se but I think it's a good October screening due to the chilling nature of the tone.

Otherwise, still trying to find a theater out here that will screen 'The Florida Project' and looking forward to 'The Disaster Artist' and 'Lady Bird' down the line as far as 2017 goes. This year has had a lot of ups and downs so far to say the least.

random side note, tied my record from last year! 89 films watched so far. The single life or something I guess.

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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Sun Oct 15, 2017 05:27

I watched 'Gerald's Game' today, not bad. I was digging it until the last ten minutes and idk, did I miss something there? What the hell was that epilogue all about? Also, ugh, that "hand" scene. Fuck...

Also watched 'Ex Machina' again and I swear I love that film more and more every time I watch it, it's a legit sci-fi thriller and I wish we got more of those.

Otherwise, kind of curious about a film called 'Ingrid Goes West' which I also cannot find playing anywhere around where I live. Supposed to be a dark comedy about social media starring Aubrey Plaza. I know she's a one-note actress but the premise just seems like it would be so much fun to watch.

So, as far as 2017, I'm currently standing on 'Baby Driver' and BR2049 as my top picks.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by Mr. Smith » Mon Oct 16, 2017 01:03

youdiedtooeasily wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 07:27
Rewatched 'The Silence of the Lambs' this evening, damn, I forgot how amazing that film was. Not really a "horror" film per se but I think it's a good October screening due to the chilling nature of the tone.
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Post by Saladin » Tue Oct 17, 2017 07:39

Just saw Blade Runner 2049. Had a similar opinion to you ydte. It was pretty good, bit definitely short of great. There were parts of it that were legitimately phenomenal, and some of the gut punching twists and individual scenes had incredible visual metaphors and were just excellent film making. But there were also parts that were borderline cringe inducing, it felt like Sony meddled here and there, particularly with dumb product placement crap.

The movie had a really strong premise, and a lot of interesting new ideas. But, like you said, it sort of ran out of things to say towards the end, it never forms a real conclusion. It just kinda, stops. I was bothered by how badly it leaned on the original, but those scenes were pretty good so it was partially forgivable. But it ended up muddling the film's voice. Can't say much more without spoilers but, all the new stuff was *way* more interesting than what they ended up doing.

Overall, it's worth seeing, and it is a good sequel. In most ways, it's a better *film* than the original. Much more compelling, even with the nostalgia callbacks and other annoying modern trends. The visuals are incredible too. But it has less to *say* than the original does. The first hour or so I was ready to accept it as superior entirely. But then, it sorta fizzles out.
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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Tue Oct 17, 2017 18:22

Nice, glad you saw it. An honest sequel is possible in today's age, who would have thought? Sadly, we won't get something like this for another 10 years.

Here was my initial response:

When we think about the genre of science fiction I see it as a reflection of what makes us human, an ethical way of understanding our dominance of the planet as humans and the moral ambiguity behind how we conduct ourselves in “the future”, but is more reminiscent of modern day. ‘Blade Runner’ captured all these themes quite effectively with a neo-noir spin to the story and had an atmosphere of its own that still holds up to this very day. It was more than simply “what does it mean to be human”, but also touched on the survival of our kind, the moral ramifications of Replicants and seeing the world through the eye of God, the ultimate father figure and creator. I do have to commend Villeneuve for taking on such a daring project, having to follow up a classic 35 years later and please the fans. I think he does so decently well, but ‘Blade Runner 2049’ does have some flaws worth mentioning.

I’ll almost guarantee if you’re even somewhat interested in ‘Blade Runner 2049’ you’ll like it overall. I just had really high expectations going in and stylistically this was a treat to explore but sometimes at the cost of narrative clarity. I think it ties a lot of the loose ends from the original very well all while trying to tell its own story with an entire new roster of characters. One element that did catch me off guard was the noticeable difference in the score from Hans Zimmer replacing Vangelis, it is nowhere near the same level of quality and that was a huge part with what made the original so memorable. Don’t expect any of the trailer score in this cut, only the loud standard Zimmer shake.

‘Blade Runner 2049’ picks up philosophically from where the original started, instead of focusing on what makes a true human or delving into one’s sense of empathy, this new chapter focuses on the themes of what it means to be free, destiny and being controlled by desire. This is where I thought the film shined was trying to figure out all these thematic elements through the eyes of Officer K. Another common metaphor throughout the film that is mentioned frequently is the sense of “being born, not made”. Even though we are created by God, we are still a part of God from a biblical standpoint and this is where Wallace comes into play with his philosophy of Replicants and their future. “They are more human than humans.” This idea of reaching salvation is another major need for many of the characters in the film, whether it's taking on the form of rebellion, seeking the truth, freedom from enslavement or destruction and all these meld together with character motivation quite well here.

So, with all that being said, I did ultimately enjoy the film (since as a cyberpunk fan this definitely was a worthy edition to the genre), but I didn’t “love” it overall. I think this one will require multiple viewings but I’m just getting it all out there for right now and maybe I’ll change my mind later, much like the original cuts of ‘Blade Runner’. I really liked all the underlying themes and metaphors and it was visually stunning but the story is lacking because of that I think, it was just missing some small bits of context to really transcend it into the masterpiece I was hoping it would be.

Some spoiler talk after thinking on it:
Technically this was a great achievement in meticulous camerawork, set design and cinematography but there are some narrative flaws which I don’t hold Villeneuve entirely responsible for. I’ll get into that later. CELLS. INTERWOVEN. INTERLINKED.

I did enjoy the story of Officer K here, very tragic but compelling look at life as a Replicant in this new setting. “When a director can let you feel the protagonist's thoughts and emotions without outright saying them out loud, they've done a good job.” – this is a trait I’ve been noticing among my favorite modern directors like Refn for example. Silence can be so powerful in the right hands. I think that’s the main part of the film that works is K’s journey, I’m glad it was focused on him and Deckard wasn’t even introduced until the two-hour mark, good. Let this be its own thing, not a cash grab, senseless retread. A couple great examples was his freak-out moment in the memory lab place, you just felt so bad for him as a character and the “GOD DAMMIT!” got to me (reminded me so much of his “TAKE IT OFF!” outburst from ‘Only God Forgives’). He gets a sliver of hope of having a purpose and the daughter just snuffs out that flame. Then at the end when he’s standing before the giant pink Joi hologram and she calls him “Joe”. That look he makes, damn man, a little piece of me died inside after that. That gut-wrenching feeling of existential dread.

I’ve heard some people complain about all the prior Joi scenes and that they were a waste of runtime but I disagree, that was the perfect build for that final moment on the bridge there. I consider Joi to be K’s “Rachael” in this film. Joi was programmed to say what he wants to hear and love him unconditionally, like a “real human being” (no pun haha). Much like K, he is programmed to serve a purpose, in this case, be a Blade Runner. That’s one note I liked in 2049, K actually does detective work unlike the original. That’s why I kind of laugh when they bring up how “good” Deckard was when he made a lot of mistakes in BR but I digress. Ultimately, he realizes his existence is useless in this world and rebels, bringing us that glorious scene of him shooting down those spinners at the end, that was so freaking awesome. Bittersweet but this aspect worked really well for me.

It got me thinking back to the sense of duality between K and Luv. K obeys his commands and becomes rebellious after realizing the truth whereas Luv is rebellious but obeys Wallace’s orders as a seemingly Angel of Judgement sent by God. I thought Luv was a scene-stealer for sure, although not given the greatest lines, but that actress was great. The whole casually getting her nails done and operating the missile drone was great, I loved it. Fire.. move… fire.. fire.. move.. fire. I kind of saw her as a sadist in a way, like when she watches Wallace kill the Replicant that couldn’t give birth she sheds that tear, but I think it was out of joy. She does this before she kills Joshi and stabs K as well. That odd kiss after she stabs K was weird but it’s because she liked him deep down. Ironically when she stomps on K’s “Joi-stick”, that was probably the saddest “death” I’ve seen all year. Oh, and what did you think of that CGI Rachael? Holy shit that was pretty convincing. I thought the end was done fairly, not near the “tears in the rain level”, but meaningful enough to K as a character. He ultimately was more human than any other character in the film.

I’m so divided how I feel about this film but I did enjoy it overall, I just didn’t “love” it. At the same time, I can’t get it out of my head and keep thinking back on it. I do plan on seeing it multiple times with a new perspective. It seems like there are a few areas of the story that don’t add up for me. Did I miss something or did that whole resistance group thing get shoehorned in at the last possible second? I don’t get what that was all about. The pleasure model scenes were kind of pointless. A little more detail on the new model of Replicants would have been nice considering how they all have the same memory implanted of the wooden horse. I get the fact that K was a detective and could figure it out, but what about the others? How would that affect them? Wallace just stood around and delivered Philosophy 101 lectures which was a little eyerolling, then again, Tyrell didn’t do much either in BR. “Rachael’s eyes were green” bit made me go uhh? What? Was he saving face or something there? I guess LAPD in 2049 doesn’t have security since Luv breaks in twice and murders people. I feel bad for Villeneuve though, he did his part phenomenally, I think it was the script that was lacking in this case. It’s bombing pretty badly over here but luckily the overseas market is loving it. Watch, Thor 3 will make half a billion and BR2049 barley broke even.

Compared to other 2017 releases so far, BR2049 is still up there with 'Baby Driver' as my favorite of the year so far. I see BR being more atmospheric and 2049 being more moody if that makes any sense.

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Post by Saladin » Wed Oct 18, 2017 04:33

It definitely grows on you. I thought about it a lot today. And the more I thought about it, the more I liked it. It really is an achievement, even if it falls a little short overall.

Joi's scenes were actually my favorite. Along with the scene on the way to the end, where K realizes he thinks his name is Joe because of the pornographic billboard. "Everything you want to hear." Ugh. Gets me every time.

The main theme I think the film hits home is the disposability of life in the future. We're constantly shown how cheap the replicants are, some being killed literally their first day of existence, because who cares? Then, since most of humanity is an underclass, of no use as offworld slaves or corporates administrators, they're equally as disposable. They're strewn about the hallways near K's apartment literally like trash, to say nothing of the piles of trash the scavengers live, and die brutally, in.

In a world where personal connections don't exist, and slavery, virtual or literal, is the norm, no one can matter to anyone else. And so no one's life carries any value.

The greatest act of defiance in the BR universe is to care, to let other things matter to you. And the ones who do have everything taken from them.

Nowhere is this demonstrated better than in Wallace himself. Deckard insults him by saying he has no children, while Wallace emptily retorts that he has millions. And yet he murders them with no more regard than shearing a hedge. He yells that he's colonized 9 worlds, to no one he cares about, and that humanity should own the stars. He says this, seemingly, because he's so empty and disconnected, accomplishment and domination is all he has left.

Ironically, he and the rebels have the same goal, to allow replicants to reproduce, so they can essentially replace humanity and conquer the stars. I think it's key that we never see their revolution, because it's ultimately irrelevant.

BR was about being unable to tell, and whether it matters, what's "real." 2049 is about learning how to care, how to have purpose, even when any reason to has been robbed from you.
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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Wed Oct 18, 2017 05:33

Nice follow up, it’s reassuring to have someone to discuss this with since I only know two other people who have seen it but they aren’t as open to discussion like you guys. One of them brings up an interesting observation that I’ll go into after talking about your points.

I completely agree with the growing on you thing, I still think about it and I saw it opening day. It’s like this weird “is this where we’re headed?” mentality of our own future in many ways. I’m starting to forgive it from some of the story flaws in act 2 since acts 1 and 3 were excellent.
I also loved the Joi scenes, I don’t get why people thought it was a waste of runtime or argue she could have been cut out from the film and nothing would have changed. I mean, technically, you could? But that is a crucial metaphor to the underlying theme of like the whole story as seen through K. Some people, I tell ya. Ugh, yeah, the Joe moment. Haven’t been punched in the gut like that in a while from a major studio release anyway.

“In a world where personal connections don't exist, and slavery, virtual or literal, is the norm, no one can matter to anyone else. And so no one's life carries any value.” I 100% am on board with this. The fact the older model replicants are, as you said, literally trash in this society makes a lot of sense. I think this is why Luv has this superiority complex to her as she claims to be the best and kisses K out of this false sense of desire to be with her “own” I guess you could say, the new line of replicants.

Interesting take on Wallace, I’ll have to remember this during my upcoming rewatch. I saw him as this God-like figure that is creating his own Garden of Eden. I also had this impression that he thinks Deckard is a replicant as well as Joshi earlier on in the film, and yeah, there’s that whole argument of course. Connection is one of the major motifs of the film, and ironically, Wallace is completely disconnected from the bleak reality of the world he is trying to create, he's "blinded" to the truth and has to literally "feel" his creations. His hands are covered in blood whereas the replicants constantly wear gloves. K takes his off to “feel” human many times. I think the scene where he sticks his hands in the beehive was a call back to the opening scene from BR when the question about having a wasp on your arm is asked in the interrogation. Deckard can’t “touch” his daughter due to the physical barrier she’s hiding behind. I like your closing statement about the revolution, and you’re right, it’s irrelevant in the end given the tone of the world around them. That aspect makes more sense to me now.

“BR was about being unable to tell, and whether it matters, what's "real." 2049 is about learning how to care, how to have purpose, even when any reason to has been robbed from you.” Again, nice job with summing up the thematic cores to these films. When K asks Deckard if his dog is “real” and he replies, “I don’t know, why don’t you ask it” directly reminded me of BR’s underlying theme. I agree, 2049 is definitely about purpose, connection and doing what you think is right in a world that doesn’t care if you exist.

The last bit I wanted to bring up is the apparent many references to a philosophy novel called Pale Fire that one of my buddies brought up. Joi even asks K to read her excerpts from the novel early on as she holds up the book in front of him. I kind of want to check it out now to see what he’s talking about, all he said is that’s where the CELLS and INTERLINKED is directly taken from as well as Deckard and his dog. Curious if you’ve heard about it or know of it seeing as y’all like to read so much.

Well damn, after typing all this I really am looking forward to a rewatch with a fresh set of eyes.

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Post by Saladin » Wed Oct 18, 2017 18:02

Never heard of that book, but I'm interested in it now too.

See, this is what's great about pure sci fi. It's not always the best thing you can watch, but fuck if it doesn't invade your brain and really ask tough questions. A good premise really sticks around in a way most other films just can't, even if they're really good.
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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Thu Oct 19, 2017 05:43

Heard that, I'm really starting to get into pure sci fi over these past few years. I honestly never grew up as a fan but I've come around to it, I generally watched the subgenre versions but pure sci fi is where it's at.

Like this year I also saw 'Hard to Be a God' and that one fucked with me so hard in the end. It's adapted from a novel of the same name so I'd highly encourage either version, the film is a rather obscure Russian release but so worth it. The premise is: A group of 30 scientists travel from Earth to a nearly-identical alien planet that is culturally and technologically centuries behind. The inhabitants of this planet have brutally suppressed a renaissance movement, murdering anybody they consider to be an intellectual, and thus the planet is stuck in the middle ages. Anton, one of the scientists from Earth, is sent to infiltrate the local populace of the Kingdom of Arkanar and help them progress as a society, although he is forbidden from getting involved with local politics or forcibly interfering with the advancement of technology or culture. Sounds like something right up your alley.

One other rec was a smaller film called 'Moon' that was really well done. It's honestly impossible to talk about and even the trailer spoils it so I'd recommend going in blind. Here's the premise: In 2035, Lunar Industries has made a fortune after an oil crisis by building Sarang Station, an automated lunar facility to mine the alternative fuel helium-3 from lunar soil, rich in the material. The facility is fully automated, requiring only a single human to maintain operations, oversee the harvesters, and launch canisters bound for Earth containing the extracted helium-3. Currently, Sam Bell nears the end of his three-year work contract at Sarang Station. Chronic communication problems have disabled his live feed from Earth and limit him to occasional recorded messages from his wife Tess, who was pregnant with their daughter Eve when he left. His only companion is an artificial intelligence named GERTY, who assists with the base's automation and provides comfort for him.

I'd also highly recommend watching Andrei Tarkovsky's filmography, notably 'Solaris' and 'Stalker' as they also really opened my eyes to the limits of where you can take sci fi. Here's a good breakdown of his work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6rI-j07QU

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