The MOVIE Thread

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by youdiedtooeasily » Mon Feb 20, 2017 03:29

So I saw "A Cure for Wellness" tonight, it was pretty good, I just wished it was more consistent as a story which is what separates it from being pretty good to great imo. I am digging a major studio project taking a huge risk like this though, that's awesome and something we need more of! It's a pretty fucked up story for a wide release but it's very welcoming in a sense.

Sadly, this film is likely going to bomb and that sucks. We need more wide released original films if the art form is to not get eaten alive by remakes, reboots, prequels, sequels, pre-sequels (yes, that's a thing now) and anything banking off an IP.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by youdiedtooeasily » Wed Mar 01, 2017 22:28

"Get Out" was meh, kind of overrated but not bad by any means. Rotten Tomatoes is a laughing stock at this point.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by kob » Thu Mar 02, 2017 00:49

why is Rotten Tomatoes a laughing stock? what'd they do?

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Post by youdiedtooeasily » Thu Mar 02, 2017 01:02

"Get Out" was at 100% up until yesterday when it dropped down to 99%. Like seriously? In comparison, RT is stating "Get Out" is better than some of the greatest films of all time. They've been doing this consistently with all the comic stuff as well. It's just a personal thing for me I guess, I used to check IMDB, Metacritic, RT before I saw anything and I end up disagreeing with their ratings almost every time. I find films rated 50-60 to be more enjoyable than 90-100 in most cases these days. I really don't think most of the reviewers know what they are talking about, especially the big YouTube ones. Just my opinion though, I just stick to my own guns and watch anything that interests me regardless of what score it earns and why I typcially don't bother with rating films myself, I just recommend things.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by kob » Thu Mar 02, 2017 05:16

oh okay. i usually find i don't disagree with their score that often. like on the obvious oscar bait movies because yeah i'm not into them but for the most part i agree with them to some extent and can see why it's rated so high. so i usually do my movie scavenging from them or a few reviewers. but i can't imagine thinking it's that good.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by youdiedtooeasily » Thu Mar 02, 2017 06:16

The Oscar baits are obvious but on a general scale, look past the ratings man. I'm not trying to dictate what you watch or anything by any fucking means, I'm not that guy. I'm simply advising you to check out whatever you want, regardless of "critical praise" and you may be surprised. Whenever I see a "stamped by RT fresh" sticker on a Blu-ray I just cringe, that doesn't mean two shits of a fuck to me.

"The Neon Demon" as an example (since I know you saw it), horribly "critiqued", but by many other "unworthy" reviewers consider it a cult classic in the making. You be the judge there. The level of "true criticism" has been drawn so absurdly.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by Saladin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 06:22

Yeah, I value that kind of criticism less and less these days.

I've always hated RT though, it's a terrible site. It doesn't even judge quality, just whether or not the aggregate of reviews were positive.

One of my favorite movies, The Messenger, has a shit RT rating.
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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by kob » Thu Mar 02, 2017 15:26

oh i never disregard a movie just because of RT's score. The Neon Demon is a good example of a movie i liked a lot even though it was considered rotten. Interstellar has something like 70%, but honestly that movie is a 10/10 to me even for all its flaws and the silly final 30 minutes.

i just find, in general, i don't disagree that often. it is an aggregate after all and i've never been a harsh critic. there aren't that many movies i really dislike and even when i disagree with a movie getting high praise, i'm hesitant to use the term overrated and instead shrug it off as something not for me. they're the last place i go to for recs though. Half in the Bag and Chris Stuckmann are usually my first choices.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by youdiedtooeasily » Fri Mar 03, 2017 01:42

I see where you're coming from but I guess I'm just extremely passionate about the art form. The past 3 years have been quite a journey for me and now that I've seen roughly 1200 films I start to notice the level of craftsmanship in them and what separates something made with talent as opposed to something slapped together cheaply and the comparison in ratings they get. I try my hardest not to use words like overrated but sometimes its the easiest line to draw. I try my hardest to be fair and explain why something is A or B but maybe I'm harsh af.

As for the YouTubers, here's what I've noticed:

Half in the Bag is great, they know the craft of filmmaking and I tend to agree with Jay almost all the time. Mike is great as well but I still don't understand his "schlock" thing. I watch their videos for the comedy and then only pay attention to the big end of the year vids when they discuss all the artsy ones. The Ghostbusters one still cracks me the hell up.

Stuckmann, hmmm. I think he's way too generous of a critic, I used to watch him a lot when I first started taking my intro film courses and thought he was great, but as I've gotten more into the craft, he kinda is afraid to rate something bad because it will piss fans off. The open arms approach doesn't sit well with me but at least he knows the technical side of filmmaking quite well so I'll give him that and he watches EVERYTHING. I like his analysis videos and the problem with modern horror/action ones far more than his reviews.

Jeremy Jahns. Fucking joke. I think you guys know more about film than him.

Renegade Cut. Excellent analysis videos that point out philosophy and deeper elements in films but he can get kind of preachy with his personal politics. Not really a review guy but good for watching after you've seen the film sort of deal.

Screen Junkies. Manchildren, plebs. Dan is the only one that knows what he's talking about.

Ralphthemoviemaker. Based as fuck, great reviews even if I don't always agree with him. Knows his shit. He's essentially a young version of Mike from RLM.

Channel Criswell. Great reviewer/analysis videos but he doesn't upload very often. I'd recommend watching his videos on Lynch, Tarkovsky and City of God, they are very well done.

Bobby Burns. He's got potential, he reminds me of myself 3 years ago actually when I started getting serious into film.

Impression Blend. Mariana is great, she knows her shit and is actually very vocal to her fans in the comments. She's a smaller channel but I enjoy her reviews and we talk about film all the time. I don't always agree with her but she makes a strong case for why she likes or dislikes something which I can always respect.

Nostalgia Critic. I used to watch this guy but eh, it's pretty cringe inducing now. He either makes solid arguments or fanboys hard so it's difficult to take him seriously.

Earthling Cinema. Great analysis videos and dry humor, another good one to watch after you've seen the film deal.

I'm sure there's others I'm missing but if I can't remember them they probably aren't worth bothering with.

As for myself, I have moved away from the Oscars and the review sites and have started following the Cannes film festival winners and watching the 1st, 2nd ,3rd place entries from each year. So far I have yet to be let down and it has opened a whole new world to the art form for me. Around the end of summer I'll probably make a list or something that I'd recommend, we'll see how it goes.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by youdiedtooeasily » Tue Mar 07, 2017 05:41

random update.

Finally got around to "Hacksaw Ridge". Was actually better than I thought it was going to be minus some hokey moments. Great battle scenes but the "muh religion" themes can get a bit annoying at times. Despite how batshit Mel Gibson is, he knows how to direct an epic-scale film quite well and no one can take that away from him.

Also saw "The Edge of Seventeen", meh, it aimed for mediocre and nailed a fucking bulls-eye. Typical coming of age teen crap, I would just skip on it. You've seen this film a thousand times already just by existing inside of pop culture. Like, if your gf cucks you into watching something along the lines of this crap, just watch "Mean Girls" instead, its far more fetch.

I MIGHT see "Logan" on Friday just out of mere curiosity but I really don't want to, my brother just keeps bugging me to go see it with him. We'll see. Other than that, this year is looking rough. :\ Of course, I did this whole song and dance last year and it turned out pretty good so you never know.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by Saladin » Tue Mar 07, 2017 06:30

I've heard lots of good things about Logan but I'm sort of against it on principle. It seems like a good original screenplay that was rewritten for a superhero movie, that kinda stuff happens all the time. But it seems well done, as tired as I am of the subject matter. Let us know if you end up seeing it.
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Post by burnfire88 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 08:56

I want a Gambit movie damnit. Gambit is the best hero of all time.
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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by Quack » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:14

I really enjoy movies that simply tell a person's story. Like mock-autobiographical movies. It doesnt that teach a lesson or rely heavily on a certain theme. Just a story. Like edge of seventeen or forest gump, they are just easy to watch and you don't have to think.

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by kob » Tue Mar 07, 2017 18:24

cinematography porn forever and always

more revenants and neon demons plz

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Re: The MOVIE Thread

Post by youdiedtooeasily » Wed Mar 08, 2017 06:13

Saladin wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2017 06:30
I've heard lots of good things about Logan but I'm sort of against it on principle. It seems like a good original screenplay that was rewritten for a superhero movie, that kinda stuff happens all the time. But it seems well done, as tired as I am of the subject matter. Let us know if you end up seeing it.
You nailed it dude, I feel the exact same way about the "original screenplay tweaked to fit the comic scene" notion. I'll let ya guys know if I see it, of course. I try to be the middleman of critics for y'all that thinks outside the box a little.
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 08:56
I want a Gambit movie damnit. Gambit is the best hero of all time.

Why does Gambit need his own movie though? Can't he just be enjoyed as a character in the comics? This is my main gripe with this comic movie trend, how does making a 90 minute movie about said character do them any more justice than hundreds of pages of comic material? Watching them fight in huge CGI battles doesn't make the character any better is all I'm saying. I can sort of see why people would want to see that, but then again, look at DC's cinematic journey so far.
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I really enjoy movies that simply tell a person's story. Like mock-autobiographical movies. It doesnt that teach a lesson or rely heavily on a certain theme. Just a story. Like edge of seventeen or forest gump, they are just easy to watch and you don't have to think.
I can understand the appeal I suppose, "coming of age" stories just don't work for me anymore unless they are done superbly. Compare "Edge of Seventeen" to "Frances Ha" in terms of quality and execution, or hell, which one felt more real. After reading that last sentence: QUACK, GO TO YOUR GODDAMN ROOM! Just a pet peeve of mine but I'm not going to judge you by saying that. I'm not condemning people that like films in that structure but I'm hard pressed to find one that I'm dying to see anymore. With that said, you have your generic "Seventeens" and you have your "Blue is the Warmest Color", "City of God" and "Frances Ha" among them which actually elevate the art form of cinema while telling a story along those lines and leave you with your jaw dropped at the end rather than yum, that was consumable. Again, this is just me talking, I'm not speaking for anyone else. I get it though, so kudos for you finding meaning in watching stories like that.
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cinematography porn forever and always

more revenants and neon demons plz
Heh, heard that man. That's a side of me that will always geek out when I see a beautifully shot film.

Here's some recommendations for other really well shot films, as far as cinematography goes, that I think you'd enjoy: (I went through a whole phase of this porn obsession, I know how it feels.)

The Fall
Hero
Lawrence of Arabia
Suspiria
The Tree of Life
Samsara
Blade Runner
City of God

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