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Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Wed Sep 26, 2012 04:25

After yet another LONG break from Portal Forums, I am happy to report that I have finished my first fantasy/suspense manuscript. :)

But the submission process had been really beating me up. I'm seeing more and more ebook options, and book stores themselves, closing down or trying to entice readers with board games/toys/miniatures etc...

All of this seems to indicate the coming death of the old world of publishing, and creates one hell of a treadmill for trying to actually get published... :(

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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Achilles » Wed Sep 26, 2012 08:08

I heard getting your work published on ebook was a lot cheaper, what exactly is the difference between the two?
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Wed Sep 26, 2012 16:40

An Ebook, is a copy of a book that is meant for electronic viewing. Ipad, Kindle etc... There are publishers out there who specialize in electronic copies the same way music vendors do downloads of music as an option with buying a disc etc. I'm trying to see how many people still buy hard covers of books.
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Achilles » Thu Sep 27, 2012 08:18

Well I understand the difference between an ebook and a regular book. I was referring to the difference in publishing. You can't do both?

I'm currently an executive designer for the literary journal that my college is publishing next fall, I have no experience with publishing, but obviously the rest of my team does. What we've decided to go with is start off with a kickstarter alongside our current budget, we're doing mostly paperback with about 20 percent of it going to ebook. We're going to play it by ear and see which one takes off more, but considering our prices and our goal it's a different model.
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Fri Sep 28, 2012 02:50

If you go with the e-book option, you can self publish with little or no upfront cost. This is recommended for starting writers who want to pursue it as a career, since they can hone their skills down to a fine point. You get to learn what sells or doesn't sell in your own writing by...well...selling or not selling it see?

The overhead is low, and even though ebooks almost require a much lower price point to generate interest than hardbacks (for beginners like myself), the percentage I get paid per sale is much better. The only hitch, is that I am responsible for my own marketing and sales.

Not gonna lie, I have sent MANY query letters to publishers and and literary agents and I get the same spam auto-reply every time. "We love to hear from new authors, but since we have such a high volume of submissions, it will take us 12-18 months to getting around to reading your stuff if we don't lose it first."

::sigh:: Literary agents usually require that you have your stuff professionally edited before they will even take a peek...Which costs about 1500.00 USD on average, for a 85k word manuscript. Money I just don't have, being underemployed after being out of work for almost a year..(Thank you American economy.)

So, if examples like the feme-centric softcore porn are to be believed (50 Shades of Gray). Self published titles that start in ebook form definitely have the potential to take off and even outsell the likes of J.K. Rowling and George Martin.
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Achilles » Sat Sep 29, 2012 09:35

Have you thought of using a Kickstarter? Maybe you could give out a few samples of the book for free on your website, promise a copy for anyone who donates and try to get the funding to edit it. It would be semi-marketing as well. People have have gotten a lot out of using Kickstarter.

http://www.kickstarter.com/
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 16:58

I heard a radio interview with someone affiliated with Kickstarter not too long ago.. Hm.. Will run this by my co-author or sure.
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Ransom » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:38

oh hey missed this thread

If you're looking to self-publish, absolutely do it digitally. Most people won't even consider buying a self-published paperback, so don't waste your time. A nicely-formatted ebook at impulse-buy price, though, is actually relatively feasible. Publish that shit on Amazon and market the shit out of it.

This guy is an act worth examining: http://www.amazon.com/Christopher-Ruz-H ... B005IHVH20

He's an awesome writer who keeps to his schedule, does his own marketing without coming off like a douchebag, and maintains an active blog. If you're going to self-publish, be like this guy.

On the other hand if you're looking to get published by an old-fashioned publisher, get some clout first. Get some short stories published, place in some competitions if you can (especially ones with prizes!). How long's your novel? The shorter it is the more likely you are to get attention as a first-time author.

Mind you, did you say co-author? Like, you'd have two names on the cover if it were published? If so, then you might be kind of fucked as far as conventional publishing goes. Publishers are unlikely to bank on a single unknown as it is. Two at once pretty much halves your chances. Double-billing is usually only feasible with established authors.

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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 02:56

I appreciate the input. :) I really do. With everything I have gone through, with traditional publishers and lit agents. (Who are interested in marketing things that are formed after the heavy hitters "Twilight" "Game of Thrones" "Wheel of Time"..etc.) Yes, the double authorship is something that will make it more difficult. But, since the slopes are already slippery as heck (with about 3 inches of ice battling anyone who would attempt to mount them) I figured, what the hell?

The one thing that I find tiring when writing people, is keeping the dialogue fresh and new. Different people should sound and act different ways. Which is hard for one person to do, when writing the behavior of and speech of 20+ people. It gets stale very fast if you're not careful. Everything has a similar "smell" to it, if you know what I mean. I also liked the idea of the hero and the villain, being written by different people. Why not realize the conflicting duality in the actual creation of the story itself?

If this flops, then it flops. I learn what I need to know and keep on writing. lol
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 03:06

Here's a sneak peek at the cover work. ;)

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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Fri Oct 05, 2012 03:29

If you're looking to self-publish, absolutely do it digitally. Most people won't even consider buying a self-published paperback, so don't waste your time. A nicely-formatted ebook at impulse-buy price, though, is actually relatively feasible. Publish that shit on Amazon and market the shit out of it.

(Intro price will be 3.99 USD for 408 pages. )
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Ransom » Fri Oct 05, 2012 07:43

Sounds about right. I'd take a chance on it at that price. I assume Amazon lets you hand out free sample chapters?

If you're looking for feedback on that cover, switch the font with something more readable. The Elsbeck Chronicles looks okay, but for a second I thought the title of the book was 'Wicked Boots'. Might also want to swap the font sizes of the series and book titles; Wicked Roots is both the more attention-grabbing title and (being the name of the book) the more important one.

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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Witchkin » Sat Oct 06, 2012 02:36

It's a serial entry. The second one in is already in the planning stages. Beginning outlines etc. The Elsbeck Chronicles is the name of the trilogy.
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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Ransom » Sat Oct 06, 2012 04:13

Yep, I realise that. My point stands. The name of the book is more important than the name of the series.

Do a Google image search for Game of Thrones book covers. Most of them don't even have the series name on there, and none of them have it larger than the book title. Unless you're an extremely established series like Lord of the Rings where the series name is better-known than the book titles, it's just confusing and unintuitive. And even then, most Fellowship of the Ring covers follow this advice. It's convention for a reason.

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Re: Paperback or Ebook?

Post by Mr. Smith » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:30

I like the feel of paper books. Makes me have a connection to the words on the page.
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